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Littering laws?

They should have charged him with littering & charge him $1000 per piece. That's what he's really doing - throwing his trash on my lawn. Unlike junk snail mail, he isn't even using 'Current Resident' to get his email to an individual. He's just using up everyone's bandwidth & resources by spraying garbage through the system in hopes that some lands in the correct place. It's reminiscent of dumping propoganda leaflets by airplane.

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The Virginia court was correct

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I don't see how anyone could disagree with the Virginia Supreme Court ruling; the law is pretty straightforward that overbroad laws are illegal. They should have been more careful in drafting the statute. What they were trying to do was fine, they just wrote it without exempting protected speech.

You have the right to send out non-commercial speech. But that doesn't mean I have to listen. And if you include commercial speech in that message, your message would be illegal (if they modify the statute to exempt protected speech).

Virginia and other states should adopt the Virginia law modified by this decision.

Fortunately, from the receiver's point of view, you can rid yourself of almost all of this junk. For example, Abaca's spam filter was tested by The Tolly Group and filtered out 99.997% of the spam received, the highest number they've ever seen. That's the good news: the technology IS available and if we can only get everyone to use it, then there wouldn't be a spam problem.

The bad news is that IT departments are slow to adopt effective products like this. For example, it took DeAnza College (22,000 students) over a year to decide to install an Abaca box (they were using Barracuda). Now their spam has virtually disappeared. I think the problem is that the vendor hype has left IT departments tone deaf to vendor pitches. This certainly makes marketing a challenge for those of us with legitimate solutions to the problem.

Gee why not just post a link

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Gee why not just post a link to your products too. Talk about spam...

Someone finally gets it

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I'm still very surprised that the court ruled in this way, precisely for the reasons that you state: the right to freedom of speech does not create in anyone else the obligation to listen to you -- particularly when the medium is email. As has been pointed out many times before, email is basically a letter that's sent postage due and for which you cannot refuse delivery. That being the case, no one else has a First Amendment right to send mail to it. (In part, that's the same reasoning behind the anti-junk fax law and the "Do Not Call" registry. Other people's right to freedom of speech doesn't apply to your phone or fax machine.)

Spammers

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Spam equivalents are telemarketers, and snail mail solicitations. Spam filters are like the "do not call" list. Too bad the post office doesn't have an equivalent for junk mail. $$$ takes priority over the physical well-being of the mail carriers...

I believe you are misreading the ruling

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My understanding is that the ruling does not say that spammers have a right to send their spam. It does not say that spammers have the right to have their commercial speech heard or dealt with. It says only that spammers have the right to not be convicted of an offense under a law that makes no distinction between commercial speech and other speech that needs to be protected. The court is telling the legislature that it is their job to make that distinction part of the law, rather than relying on prosecutors, judges and juries to do it for them. I think the appeals court could have chosen to rule differently, upholding the law and providing a guideline of its own for the lower courts and prosecutors to follow in applying the existing law, but I think that it is pretty rare for courts to do that sort of thing, as free speech is something that the legislature really needs to get right in the statutes. When the legislature gets it right, the long-term impact on users of messaging systems that you foresee should go away -- assuming that you think that even properly written anti-spam laws can actually be effectively enforced, which is a whole different question.

You're still not getting it.

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No one -- repeat, no one -- has the "right" to send email to anyone else, regardless of whether the content is commercial or not. That's because email is paid for by the recipient, not the sender. Private property rights override First Amendment protections, and email addresses are private property. If you really don't believe this, I'll just head over to your house and glue some political flyers on your front door. If you object, I'll say that I have a First Amendment right to deface your property in this way. How's that sound?

No.... I do get it.

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You do have the right to deliver flyers to my door when those flyers constitute protected speech. (See Watchtower Bible and Tract Society v. Village of Stratton – 536 U.S. 150 (2002)). You do not have the right to glue them, nail them, or do anything that causes damage to my property.

The analogy therefore is that someone does have the right to send protected speech to your email box, but not the right to send protected speech in a way or form that would cause damage to your property. Anti-spam laws should be carefully drafted to follow that principle.

BTW: I believe that no anti-spam laws are actually necessary. Simply enforcing existing anti-fraud, anti-counterfeit and anti-electronic-trespess laws should be enough to prosecute the spammers. CAN-SPAM and other laws are feel-good measures, but what is really needed is for the government to allocate funds to prosecutors and investigators to go after the offenders.

And to clarify...

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The applicability of anti-electronic-trespass laws has nothing to do with trespassing in your mailbox. It has to do with trespassing on the zombie machines and relays that spammers abuse.

No.

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No, that analogy does not hold up, because postal mail is paid for by the sender, whereas email is paid for by the recipient. Therefore, there is no constitutional right to email anything to anyone, ever. It's amazing to me how many people will talk about constitutional rights in venues where they simply don't apply.

Incorrect

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Your analogy is the one that is flawed.

Try going to the post office and saying "I want a free mailbox". No. You pay to rent one. And if you want home delivery, you pay for a box that meets USPS standards, installed in a way that meets USPS standards. It doesn't cost much, but neither does an email account.

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